Camera Price Charts 2016 Episode IV: Serious Fixed Lens Cameras

In Episode #1 of the November 2016 series, we took a look at the prices of all 35mm Full Frame Digital Cameras… In Episode #2, we took a look at APS-C DSLRs… In Episode III, we take a look at prices of Mirrorless Cameras… In this post (episode IV), we take a look at some of the serious fixed lens cameras aka RAWsumers…

Where Does The Data Come From?

The prices are the consensus prices between Amazon and B&H Photo and Adorama as of November 3 in 2016. These are new condition with USA warranty prices, from authorized dealers. Older cameras that are no longer available in new condition with USA warranty from the above retailers, or are available in a very limited fashion, are not included.

Serious Fixed Lens Cameras – The Big Picture

We have a pretty steady progression of prices from $450 to $2000, with the majority of the cameras narrowing down to three sensor sizes, 1-inch, APS-C, and 35mm full frame. 2/3″ used to be more popular, and so was 1/1.7″, while the Canon G1 X* line is the only one carrying the flag for 1.5″. I am no longer adding new 1/2.3″ cameras to the chart but there is one hold-out from the previous chart (FZ300).

Canon and Sony are doubling down on this segment by keeping multiple active cameras in their line-up, Canon has six models, and Sony has eleven, keeping all models around of three separate lines, the RX100 (five models), and the RX10 and RX1 (three models each). Panasonic too is continuing with an LX and FZ track. Nikon’s re-entry happened with a trio of new cameras under the DL line (to be released by the end of the year). Fuji cooled off on this segment, but offered a lower-priced APS-C model.

Just like the other November 2016 categories, some prices have actually/surprisingly gone up, some went down, many stayed the same. We see the same price pattern here, where the race to the price-bottom is essentially over.

The picture below gives you a bird’s eye view. Click twice on it or view the full size PNG for a more readable version (only 50K).

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The APS-C RAWsumers

Things were fairly quiet in the world of APS-C, with Fuji giving their X100* a lower priced parallel APS-C model with the X70. The only other new camera was a waterproof variation on a Leica theme (X-U Typ 113). Remaining are two famous models among aficionados of this segment, the X100T and Ricoh GR II.

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The 1-inch Sensors Dominate the RAWsumers

One clear pattern that emerged this year is that the 1-inch sensor cameras are dominating the RAWsumer segment. Nine of the eleven new cameras in this segment have 1-inch sensors, including Nikon’s new line of DLs. Sony, Panasonic and Canon all released new models at this size. Their prices are well spaced, with a dense $600 to $1000 section in the middle.

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Footnotes

  • Prices as of November 3 in 2016 – see second paragraph above for details
  • Prices are more or less uniform among the three tracked retailers
  • New additions since the previous chart include the Nikon DL trio, the Sony RX10 III and RX100 V, the Panasonic LX10 and ZS100 and FZ2500, the Fuji X70, and Canon G7 X II and the Leica X-U T113 and such
  • Gone since the previous chart are the Ricoh GR, PAnasonic CM1, LX7 and FZ200, Nikon P7800, Fuji XF1, XQ1, XQ2, X-S1, Canon G16 and S120, Olympus Stylus 1S, and such
  • Typos, errors, confusions, omissions are always possible. Please leave a comment or use the online contact form. If I don’t notice an error and no one mentions it, it won’t get fixed on its own 🙂

Camera Price Charts 2016 Episode III: The Mirrorless Expansion

In Episode #1 of the November 2016 series, we took a look at the prices of all 35mm Full Frame Digital Cameras… In Episode #2, we took a look at APS-C DSLRs… In this post (Episode III), we take a look at prices of mirrorless cameras. As usual, we do not include rangefinders in this category, and we do not include sensors larger than 35mm since those are very niche (but we saw action there too with the Fuji medium format GFX 50S).

Where Does The Data Come From?

The prices are the consensus prices between Amazon and B&H Photo and Adorama as of November 2 in 2016. These are new condition with USA warranty prices, from authorized dealers. Prices are the body only kit, except for cameras without an official body-only kit – we use the lowest priced standard kit (eg w/18-55) for those. Older cameras that are no longer available in new condition with USA warranty from the above retailers, or are available in a very limited fashion, are not included.

Flagship Mirrorless Prices as of November 2016

There are many mirrorless cameras out there, so we start by taking a look at the flagship camera of each system. Samsung is out of the market now, while finally Canon decided to get serious with a more advanced mirrorless camera, so we are including it here. Sigma too joined the party with the SD Quattro. Their APS-H camera does not have a price yet, so the non-H is the current flagship ~ we only look at real aka “purchasable” products in these price charts. The Pentax Q-S1 is still lingering around but I can’t find enough loopholes to call it a flagship camera, adorkable as it may be 🙂

Leica price-leads the way and with that price, it will remain a champion until the next Leica camera. Sony’s price-flagship having the 35mm full frame sensor is also guaranteed a second place. Olympus played price-leapfrog with the E-M1 II, whose price was revealed a few days ago [see Stock Status Tracker] jumping ahead of Fuji’s latest entries. The Panasonic GH4 and Nikon V3 remained the same flagships as last year.

In yellow highlight below are the new releases since our previous price-chart…

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Mirrorless Prices as of November 2016

Compare and contrast the size of this monster chart below with the one of APS-C DSLRs and you can tell where a lot of the action is happening. We had roughly twice as many new mirrorless cameras in 2016 than APS-C DSLRs. If it wasn’t for the “Export As Image” option, the chart below would have to be two parts 🙂

Click on the image twice to see it at maximum size (unless you are on a giant vertical monitor) or open the full size PNG file (fear not, it’s only 55K, it won’t eat up your mobile data).

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The Pentax Q-S1 with its atom ant sized sensor is leading the price-bottom in both charts, but sensor-size is not always a factor in pricing. There is a wild mix of 1″ and M43 and APS-C and 35mm Full Frame. For example, the $1100 35mmFF Sony a7 is in the middle, and costs less than the Nikon V3 with its “Angry Inch” sensor 🙂

Just like with DSLRs, the race to the price-bottom is over. Most of the sub-$400 cameras are older. As usual with these charts, we feature the body only price, unless a particular camera does not have an official body-only kit. In those cases, we feature the lowest priced kit (most of the time it’s the w/14-42 or w/18-55 and such). This is why you see some cameras in the chart with lenses next to their names.

To save the chart from being totally unreadable, I removed the Leica SL Typ 601, which you can see in all its price glory in the Flagships chart at the top. Its price flattened almost all the other entries in the cart.

Taking a bird’s eye view, shows a steady progression of prices from $200 to $2200, so anyone buying specific price points, won’t have trouble finding something 🙂 This kinda feels healthy and organic – I think.

While doing this it became painfully obvious that Panasonic’s naming scheme is/was in sharp need of a reboot. They have very similarly-named cameras, and the combination of letters and numbers they use is just too similar and overlapping and confusing and non-distinct 🙂 Imagine how the average consumer must feel looking at the soup of Gs and Xs and Fs and 7s and 8s 🙂

The “Take Pictures With” Kits

Body only options are great if you already have lenses or if you are a serious/advanced photographer and you are planning to buy non-entry-level lenses. But for a beginner or someone dipping their toes into a new system (without taking a big financial risk), the “Take Pictures with Kits” (TPwK) are important, since you are ready to take pictures. Some of the cameras that are listed as Body Only in the mega chart above appear here with their kit lenses. This only covers lower prices, where TPwKs are more relevant. Under $650 is the cut-off point, which is why there’s only one new camera (yellow highlighter).

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Again, as you can see above, the race to the price-bottom days are over, so for someone looking for lower prices, the used/refurbished market may be an option to look at.

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Footnotes

  • Prices as of November 1 in 2016 – see second paragraph above for details
  • Prices are more or less uniform among the three tracked retailers
  • New additions since the previous chart include the Fuji X-T2, X-PRO2, X-E2S, X-A3, Olympus E-M1 II, E-PL8, and Pen-F, Canon M5, Sigma SD Quattro, Sony a6300, Panasonic G85 and GX85, and such
  • Gone from last year’s chart are the Samsung line-up, Fuji X-E2 and X-E1, Nikon S2, Olympus E-M5, E-M10, E-PL6, Panasonic GF6, GF7, GH3, GM5, GX7, and such
  • Typos, errors, confusions, omissions are always possible. Please leave a comment or use the online contact form. If I don’t notice an error and no one mentions it, it won’t get fixed on its own 🙂

Camera Price Charts 2016 Episode II: APS-C DSLRs Get Half a Dozen new models

In Episode #1 of the November 2016 series, we took a look at the prices of all 35mm Full Frame Digital Cameras. In this post, we take a look at prices of APS-C DSLRs only.

Where Does The Data Come From?

The prices are the consensus prices between Amazon and B&H Photo and Adorama as of November 1 in 2016. These are new condition with USA warranty prices, from authorized dealers. Prices are the body only kit, except for cameras without an official body-only kit – we use the lowest priced standard kit (eg w/18-55). Older cameras that are no longer available in new condition with USA warranty from the above retailers, or are available in a very limited fashion, are not included.

APS-C DSLR Prices as of November 2016

We had about half a dozen new DSLRs this year. The price pattern we saw with full frame is repeating here as well, there are some price drops but also some price increases of the very same model. A few more increases than decreases actaully, including the price-leader Sigma SD1 going from $2000 to $2300. The Sony a77 II also had a spike in its price. We even have a strange case where currently the Canon T5i body only is more expensive than the T5i w/18-55 kit (at the same authorized dealers).

With Pentax pruning its line-up, and its prices going up, the entry-point prices of the APS-C DSLR market have increased, both Overall (the first chart) and the “Take Pictures With” kits (the second chart). Canon and Nikon are holding steady at their entry-point prices. So for someone looking for a first DSLR, they may be better off looking at the refurbished or used market, considering some of these DSLRs are rather old.

Nikon created a bit of a stir by releasing a new “flagship APS-C” camera with the D500, while Canon was more predictable price-wise with the 80D. Pentax’s new entry is the usual value-frontier type of a model with the K-70 being somewhere in the middle. Sony also stayed in the nebulous middle with the a68, while Canon and Nikon refreshed their entry-points with the D3400 and T6.

Canon and Nikon have the fullest line-ups, but even with fewer models, Sony and Pentax follow classic DSLR Line-Up patterns.

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Likewise with Pentax’s options gone, $400 is the lowest “take pictures with” kit, and those two lowest price options are not exactly spring chickens in DSLR-Years. So the same applies as above, one is better off looking at the refurbished and used market.

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Footnotes

  • Prices as of November 1 in 2016 – see second paragraph above for details
  • the Pentax K-S1 is not included because it is gone from B&H and Adorama, and the situation is too chaotic at Amazon to come up with a consensus price (Pentax went crazy with various colors and options)
  • Prices are more or less uniform among the three tracked retailers
  • Gone from last year’s chart are the Nikon D5200, D300s, Pentax K-3, K-50, K-S1
  • Typos, errors, confusions, omissions are always possible. Please leave a comment or use the online contact form. If I don’t notice an error and no one mentions it, it won’t get fixed on its own 🙂

Camera Price Charts 2016 Episode I: The Full Frame Price Fix

And we are back with the 2016 edition of our snapshot of camera prices in the US market. We start with the 35mm full frame digital cameras, grouping together all kinds, DSLRs, mirrorless, walletfinders (okay, rangefinders), and fixed lens. Because Medium Format is a very small niche, we are not tracking their prices here… In Episode #2 we look at APS-C DSLR prices

Where Does The Data Come From?

The prices are the consensus prices between Amazon and B&H Photo and Adorama as of November 1 in 2016. These are new condition with USA warranty prices, from authorized dealers. All the prices are the body only kit prices. Older cameras that are no longer available in new condition with USA warranty from the above retailers, or are available in a very limited fashion, are not included.

35mm Full Frame Camera Prices as of November 2016

The big pattern that emerged during the 2015 vs 2014 comparison was filling the price gap between the upper price tiers and the accessible-to-many-serious-photographers price-tiers.

This year, the pattern is totally different. The prices have on average remained the same. Some went a little down, some some went up, making it more or less a wash. One of the price drops looks to have been very strategic, the Nikon D750 going down to “meet” the Canon 5D Mark III at the $2500 price level. This was the biggest price drop. Coincidence? I think not 🙂 Others increased in price after they were released. Pentax’s decades-in-the-making K-1 full frame DSLR started out at $1800 but as of right now it goes for $1950 at the three tracked retailers.

The camera manufacturers are artificially forcing prices to stay put, even though the individual cameras get older, and as digital/technology equipment, in a healthy market, prices would have to go down. So the entry-point into full frame remained the same, $1100 is the lowest you pay for a 35mm FF digital camera (Sony a7), and $1500 for the entry-point into the Canon and Nikon DSLR systems.

The big picture below showing all the generally available models is to give you a sense of the price structure in the market. You can read this chart at a much larger size with the full size .PNG file (fear not, it’s only 41K, it won’t eat your mobile data!)

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Here is a more readable crop of the chart showing the non-niche full frame digital cameras in the market. This is where the vast majority of full frame photographers live. Leicas are the majority of the cameras above $3500.

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Footnotes

  • Prices as of November 1 in 2016 – see second paragraph above for details
  • the Canon 1D X and 1D C are available in a very limited fashion and are not included
  • Prices are more or less uniform among the three tracked retailers, the notable exception is the Sony a7 body only going for $1700 instead of $1100 at Amazon which is likely some kind of error/confusion, because they have the a7 with 28-70mm for $1400. These prices are by Amazon itself, not 3rd-party sellers
  • since last year, the Sony a99, Leica M-E and Leica M Monochrom are gone, none of the retailers above have them in new condition
  • new entries in this years charts include the Pentax K-1 (their Full Frame Unicorn), the Nikon D5, Canon 1D X II, Sony a99 II, Canon 5D Mark IV, and of course Leicas
  • Typos, errors, confusions, omissions are always possible. Please leave a comment or use the online contact form. If I don’t notice an error and no one mentions it, it won’t get fixed on its own 🙂

Camera Price Charts Episode IV – Fixed Lens Cameras with RAW

We conclude this round of Price Charts by taking a look at Fixed Lens digital cameras that support RAW out of the box, with sensor sizes ranging from 1/2.x” to 35mm full frame. In the previous installments, we covered a snapshot of the prices of 35mm Full Frame Digital Cameras, and then APS-C dSLRs and Mirrorless cameras.

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Camera Price Charts Episode III – It’s a Mirrorless World

We continue this mid-November 2015 Price Charts series with Mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras. Rangefinders are not included in this since they are their own category and their prices are in the stratosphere and they are already included in Episode #1, 35mm Full Frame Digital Cameras. Then in Episode II, we took a look at the prices of APS-C dSLRs.

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Camera Price Charts Episode II: APS-C dSLRs – We Still Exist

In Episode #1, we looked at the prices of 35mm Full Frame Digital Cameras. In this episode, we focus on the APS-C dSLRs. As you can see by comparing to the December 2014 edition, the number of APS-C dSLRs has slightly decreased, partially because of full frame expansion and partially because of mirrorless expansion.

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Camera Price Charts Episode I: Fascinating – the Full Frame Price Gap of 2014 is Filled with most of the 2015 new releases

One of the most procrastinated posts perhaps in the history of this blog is finally here! The November 2015 edition of the Camera Price Charts. In this series, we take a snapshot of camera prices, and navel-gaze at the data and patterns that emerge. We start with the 35mm full frame digital cameras (DSLRs, mirrorless, rangefinders, fixed lens)…

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Camera Price Charts Episode IV: Serious Fixed Lens Cameras

With 2014 just barely holding on to dear life before it disappears into the history books, we have Episode IV in our Camera Price Charts mini-series, focusing on Serious Fixed Lens cameras, with Prime or Zoom lenses. This covers many but not all cameras with RAW (there are many and more these days, even a few cameraphones support RAW one way or another). In Part #1, we looked at the prices of 35mm Full Frame Cameras. In Episode II, we stopped down to APS-C DSLRs, while in Episode III, we threw away the mirrors for a look at Mirrorless Camera prices. To see the charts at a bigger size, “View Image” in browser.

Methodologie
The prices are a consensus between B&H Photo and Amazon and Adorama as of December 31 in 2014. These are new condition with USA warranty prices, in-stock or (pre)orderable from authorized dealers (iffy and unauthorized dealers selling at Amazon are ignored). For cameras with multiple colors, we use the lowest price (eg black Fuji X100S over silver). A few have non-trivial price differences or availability differences between the benchmark retailers, you can find these cameras mentioned in the Footnotes at the bottom.

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